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Nice story. I envy you being able to work there and actually being able to see whats going on. Hey smuggle out some pics so that we can all see......lol....ride on

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True passion put into beautiful words! Mr. Moses has always been a bit of a "wordsmith" and yes, he does have an absolute passion/obsession with all things "Indian". If his hands are among those in which the brand rests...great times are most certainly ahead. Ride on, Indian Man!

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We all hope the third time is the charm. May they live forever!

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Great Blog, Mark. Just like the song title, from the music hit of the past by a group called the Doors - - LIGHT MY FIRE ! I don't know what craft you practice at Indian Motorcycle, but I'll try to relay a little story about my first experience with the celebrated piece of American history. Perhaps something different than the usual stories welcoming the terrific feel of that first great ride, may be of interest. It went something like this - - Entering a new Indian Motorcycle dealership, early in 2003, it was immediate shock & awe as I gazed into the show room. There it was, the new Power Plus 100 with the round jugs & bottle cap heads siting behind the wide handlebars and that famous fender skirt. Breath-taking and beyond words for even a seasoned "wordsmith", love at first site to say the least! As a previous owner & rider of several other makes of motorcycle, I knew right then, this was the new motorcycle I had been waiting for. On the counter, at the dealership, I found and looked thru the latest pamphlet with the new 2003 Chief models. Turning a page when suddenly -*#!-& OMG ^+!& JC -%~> would you just look at that - somebody help - it's the new 2003 Vintage Chief. Of course the dealership owner/manager was more than happy to help. But when I asked were is the Vintage model Chief in the show room, he replied "there is none". He went on to explain that it was a very pricey limited edition that may be too expensive for the bulk of his customers, thus not in stock at his dealership. But, it may be possible to special order the Vintage model. When I told him to order it, in disbelief the manager asked, "you want to order this site unseen without a demo ride or anything?" I replied yes, order it now. After filling out the paperwork and checking his computer, the manager said it may be in by late April or early May, are you sure about this? Sensing that the dealer/owner must be new at sales and not an experienced passionate motorcyclist, I couldn't resist responding as follows. Oh, I'm sure about it - but I may also need to order some extras to go with it. I may need some motorcycle boots because it looks pretty big and I remember when I used to ride my Schwinn, at first it took some getting used to. I had to stomp my foot down ,from side to side, to keep it balanced so it wouldn't fall over! As he looked puzzeled, I ask the manager "is it going to drive like one of those old big Cadilacs, will I have to take wide turns?". The owner/manager said that he had never rode one, but it would handle better than most motorcycles on the market. I said, "I knew it, thats great, but it is alot of money and I don't want anything to happen, so - - - - - can I order some training wheels for the back"? At that point the mechanic from the back came out (almost in tears, holding back his laughter), and asked if I wanted chrome rims on them. Then he said, ut-oh I forgot about the saddle bags on the back - I don't think we can get training wheels for this model. The manager/owner asked "we can't get training wheels for any model, can we?" The mechanic and I couldn't hold back any longer and it took for ever to stop laughing. The day my new 2003 Vintage Chief arrived at the Dealership, I got a phone call from the owner/manager. I told him I could be there tomarrow to pick it up and ride it home. After an extended pause on the phone, he said " There's no need to pick it up, we deliver". I told him that I live an hour and a half away, but he said that's ok - there's no charge. The next day I sat back and waited as my new 2003 Vintage Chief arrived in a trailer with the machanic to make sure everything worked properly. The machanic told me that they normally don't deliver motorcycles or have him go to anyone's residence, but the owner/manager insisted because he was actually afraid that I may have an accident in his parking lot. It was no joke to the manager/owner, but again we laughed and laughed. Well, that's enough for now from a new friend. We will never be strangers as we keep the fire burning for Indian Motorcycle. Thanks for the great read Mark.

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Like my father before me I hope that I can be a guardian of the jewel. I was around eight years old when my father began working on the Indians. I would often sit on the old Chiefs and 4's as he painstakingly brought the beautys back to life. many of the bikes had torn and tattered skirts from the years of neglect and abuse. I could often see the pride in my father when he did bring one back to life. My father never rode one due to a accident on a Indian motorcycle that was left by the military in Port Isabel. Texas.
It was probably a 1916 Power Plus as this was the bike the Army used to chase Pancho Villa. The bike was passed from boy to boy and saw many accidents that left numerous scars and memories for each of them.
I hope to be a guardian of the jewel in my own rite as I am the owner of two Cheifs a 1948 Roadmaster and a 2003 Roadsmaster. The 48 is painstakingly being brought back to life. I am keeping her as original as possible as I am the third owner. The first owner in 1948 bought her in Chicago and only put 600 miles on her before selling it to the second owner in 1953. The 48 was purchased in 1953 and stayed with the second owner until his untimely death in 2006. The widow was reluctant to sell the bike fearful that someone would just ebay it for a quick dollar. A friend interceded on my behalf and told the widow of my passion for Indian Motorcycles. We struck a deal and with tears in her and her children's eyes she turned the keys and the 48 over to me. I have had numerous people come into my shop and offer to buy the 48. I must admit at times it has been tempting. I have changed my will to make sure the bike stays in the family. There is not son to pass the bike on to, there is my 13 year old daughter who is just as passionate about the Indians. I am looking to buy her a 41 Sport Scout for the two of us to restore. She will be a keeper of the Indian jewels when I go to the creator. Osio, Cherokee Chief

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Man I am sooo happy Indian will be up and running again. I always get a little proud when I see a Chief roll by. While I worked at the factory in Gilroy I learned to really appreciate the craft and still hold a sense of pride whenever I see an Indian. Its an awesome thing to be a part of. Im with you TwoFeather~ 3rd times a charm!!

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fellow Indian riders
after reading the blogs, there is one theme........pride, it has always been there, and is STRONG with me here in north texas! Fortuately, I have been able to carry on the tradition, to a point, the problem is, it appears I'm running out of help.........it seems I'm the only one.........I know there are other riders, clubs, groups.........I've riden with most of them, then they seemed to dissappear.........over the last few years, less and less have made their presence known. I go to the local rallys, the hangouts, the rides........and there are usually NO Indians..........the folks that did ride them, now on Americas second motorcycle.........saying, "I can't get parts, work done, so I bought a ......................" SAD!!!!!!!! or, I hear, its "down" it doesn't run right, or some other lame excuse. Personally, I own an 03 Vintage, #244.........she is a 3 time trophy winner, a daily rider, I have gone thru her myself, and she is NOTHING like she was when I got her five years ago.........longer, taller, bigger, stronger and cannot be compared to anything with two wheels....and she runs FINE......having said that, it is both a gift and a curse.............the gift is, having something so different, so much "more than" that the pride level is high, but the price paid is high as well, believe it or not, the folks on Harleys seem to remember only the negative, and comment accordingly........I hear horror stories, and I see amazing transactions on e bay, on craigs list........freaks me out........I saw an 03 Vintage with 983 miles on it, go for less than ten grand..........and other sales that are simililar..........the stories, the sales, the lack of riders are taking their toll............but not on me, hell, I have yet to replace the battery on my Vintage, the bike has well over 30 K miles on her, third set of tires, and is a grand example of reliability..........I would, and have, ridden her anywhere, on the drop of a dime............my message is simple, the new Indian Company needs to get a move on, although pride remains, memories do fade, I think more can and should be done to promote, advertise and let this puppy out of the barn!!!!!!!! I am tired of waiting, so is everyone that HAD, WANTS and DREAMS of an Indian..........Bring it on boys, we are past waiting. INDIAN, America's first motorcycle! BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!
Castleman96@gmail.com

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The Third time is the charm for you guys ?

How the hell will you compete in today's global market?

My father used to say about JFK " why don't they let him rest in peace ?"

The same should be said for Indian... let it rest in peace.

50 dealers ! ????? COME ON MAN !

Harley has 76 in California alone, what possesses you that you think you can sell an OLD OLD name to the only people who know the name have one foot in the grave already?

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I'm really hoping Indian does it this time. Pretty fine looking bike. I'd be a dealer for them.

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Remember that the brand speakes for itself. Quality will made the Indian name a houusehold name. I seem to remember Harley and the crap that was pust out in the 70's....anyone remember AMF/Harley and all the goverment subsidies? I don't like bashing other brands, to each his own. The more riders out there the better, whether it be Indian, Harley, Honda, or whatever turns your crank, so to say. Riding is what it really is all about, please remember that and ride safe.

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Never let an Indian rest in peace. I am thrilled to see you back up again. And yes, third time will be a charm. I look forward to this ulitmate and final resurrection of the best motorcycle ever built. I have been a fan of this motorcycle since I was 16. I currently own a 2007 Road King, but I would trade her in a heart beat for a new Indian.

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My only question at this time is, will you have charitable financing for poor saps who were taken to the cleaners in their divorces?

Otherwise I will need an official Indian drool cup, but alas, no bike.

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Great story. Now, bring out the bike, and let's ride! I'll be the first to volunteer to drive it (call me a test driver, stunt driver,,,, whatever,,, )

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I guess it all started with me when I was in the fifth grade. When my best friend at the time, being from a motorcycle family, asked me which motorcycle was the first american bike. Not knowing any better I said, you guest it, Harley. He laughed. And at that moment I was educated on Indian. Things that I found amazing and love to share with everyone, like it was a group of Indian riders that started Sturgis. That Indian counted many coup and took many scalps at Daytona. And then of course, there is a still standing land speed record. Well, as I grew up, Indian had long past into the spirit world. I learned to ride and put many miles on to jap bikes, good bikes, just not american. well, the time came, it was time for my first american bike. Harley was all there was and I learned to find the beauty in the brand. Then to my amazement a brief radio commercial catches my ear. Indian had returned, unfortunetly the advertising was minimal and I waited weeks to here it again. I finally found the dealership and it was love at first sight, I had heard stories and seen many pictures, but nothing could compare to the classic lines of the Indian Chief, stripped down or full dress, what a sight. Alas, the Chief was a bit much for the wallet, so the Scout or Spirit would have to do. Then my luck changes a little, a red, 02, Chief becomes affordable. After being assured all was good to go. Another let down, credit issues. but hey, I figure, I got time, get my stuff together and ride by the spring of 04. and all this occured the summer of '03, little did I know that time was actually running out. It was in February of 04 that a friend called me at work to let me know Indian was on the way out, yet again. Of course I was one of many that rushed to buy all the Indian stuff I could. At least I'd have something. Now get this, I walk into my local Indian dealership to pick up some t-shirts, ball caps, etc.. when a new salesman ask's, which bike would like to take home. I had to chuckle at that as my last attempt was tragic. I explained to him what I went threw that summer and he responded, try again, what do you got to lose. So I bit. After only having to fill out half the paper work, having a very modest down payment, he ask's once again, which bike would you like. well, the red Chief was long gone, and I didn't "think" for one minute I would be approved, I turned to my gal and I say's pick one babe. She picks the chrome yellow over pearl white 03 Spirit, thinking that I'll be seen alot better for safety sake. well, because of that salesman, that brothers ability to make a miracle, I ride with pride. And all those that ride an Indian know full well the attention our stallions get. And though Harley may have 76 dealerships in Ca. alone
50 is a good number to start, I think. After all the more rare the jewel, the more precious the jewel. As I say most often" Anyone can have a Harley". It's also a source of pride, in that, I am of south west native american descent, and so, First american people, First american motorcycle. I ride and Indian, because I am an Indian. And the First american motorcycle involved in so many first american motorcycle events, traditions, and so on. And now the brand that started it all is about to be reborn. my red Chief is the featured model on the new web page. I see some changes and they look good. the chief fender light which is the signature of Ihdian, seems to have been moved back a bit so that he's looking full forward and not facing the road as before, it's a small thing, but I agree with management, perfection is key. my only regret is that I have many ideas for products and advertising as I'm sure alot of do. I think it would be fun if at some future date, Indian might come up with a contest for product or advertising ideas. I'll be 51 tomorrow and I hope for one more miracle. Indian will once again take the lead and succeed. And if I find that it's not in the cards, that I'll find myself on a red chief, I will find the means to replace my S&S engine with the power plus and make my Scout/Spirit a full blooded Indian. Only the fates can says, I hope to ride down to Kings Mountain NC. this year just to say I was there. Indian motorcycle is more than just a machine, if you ride one you know exactly what I mean, she's classy, he's lean, it's the best damn pony I've ever seen. Thanks!

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just purchased my 1st bike. friend found mine in pa. 2001 scout silver. 1450. AMAZING!!! ONLY- 7000 mi. very clean.
looking forward to warm weather. have always been a harley girl, i am 52 yrs. old. when i saw this babi i was drooling,
bought it on the spot, cash. see you in the wind.....

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My first contact with Indian bikes is as fresh now as it was 54 yrs ago. My father was a member of the "Anciant Car Club" of California and he had a couple of Pearce Arrows and a Windsor something convertable, with real Leopard upholstery. Also in the club was a group of bike collectors and that's where my real interest was.
Every year at the Walnut Festival in Walnut Creek, the Police drill team would be the featured event of the parade. And, every year, my buds and I would spend as much time as we could fondling all that "heavy metal". When we were all between 10 & 12 yrs, we got "doodle Bugs" with B&S & kohler 5 to 8 hp motors. The next year the parents got involved and we started our own "Drill Team" and was featured a few times on the "mickey Mouse Club" news real. At the end of one of our performances, all the guys got a ride on one of the "real Drill Teams" bikes. Well, every one had ridden except me, and a guy riding a BIG RED INDIAN motioned me over and said; do you ride? I said; yes I do! He said; OK then, strap on your skid-lid, and let's go! I got the nod from my Dad and the rest is history.
We went the full length, of the then abandoned "Buchannon Air Field in Concord, at speeds I could not have even imagined! When we got back to the group, a Harley had joined in, carrying one of my fellow Drill Team members, a few words were exchanged and the race was on.
Do ya know the feeling in your chest at feeding time in front of the Lion cages at Flyshackers Zoo in SF? Well, that's what I felt over my entire body during and after that event.
I've had 7 Harley's over the years. I presently own a Honda TransAlp, a Yamaha Venture, a Buell X1 Lightning and a Ducati.
I guess it's my turn to get that feeling back, hey? I'll be 65 yrs next b-day. Join the Tribe! I'm going to.

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The dream of Indian is still alive in some! I gave up the dream. I had a 2003 Indian Roadmaster, and still think it was the most beautiful bike I've ever owned. I kept waiting, hoping that the new Indian group would put together a real quality bike. I think you might, but frankly, I got tired of waiting and waiting after the failure of the second Indian group. I have a 2008 Victory Kingpin Tour now, and my dream of owning another Indian is over. But, good luck anyway, I hope Indian makes it successful this 3rd time. My first ride was on the back of my Dad's 1948 Chief when I was five, so I have lots of fond memories of Indian.

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I have always loved the Indian Motorcycle, but born at the wrong time in the wrong place. Now I've got a chance to get one. But I've got to know more about them. Getting information from you guys is like watching ice melt. Are all the Gilroy problems fixed? That ugly brake sticking out of the front fender? Did you guys compete with a six speed tranny? Are you at least adding some better maint. features? What the hey? Tell us something besides we're working on a test track! Tell us more.

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I am like many others out there.Ive been riding on the road since 16 years old.I started with honda 500 then750 suzuki,48 pan chopper.numerous sporties and glides.They all break and I mean ALL if you ride them hard.Oh and Ive had victories too.I bought a 03 roadmaster brand new and have to say,until you ride one,you will never know.Cant wait to get one more........

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GREAT STUFF WARM AND FUZZY.....KISSY BEAR HUGGY FACE..........BUT THE REALITY IS THE PURISTS WOULD APPRECIATE LESS CHROME AND MORE POWDER COAT.

NOW TO BRING THE 1940 INDIAN INTO THE 21ST CENTURY LETS MAKE IT "PLUG AND PLAY" WITH SELF ADJUSTING LIFTERS, SHAFT DRIVE, FUEL INJECTION AND CAP THAT PUPPY WITH TORQUE THAT IS DOUBLE THE HORSE POWER!!!

52 TO 60 HORSES WITH TORQUE 104 FOOT POUNDS TO 120 FOOT POUNDS!!!!!!!

WLAD

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I am in my 40s and I've loved the Indian brand all my life. When I was a kid I had an Indian dirt bike , boy wish I had it today. They have always been known as the jewel of the cycle world, rare and beautiful. I had the financial opportunity to purchase one in 03. I traded my Bike on a Spirit Road Master. It is by far the envy of just about all the bikers at any ride I have ever been on. Looking at the absolute beauty that you are working on, I can see that you are creating one of the most beautiful bikes I have ever seen. I am extremely envious myself at the new machine. Good luck and I hope to be parking my ride next to another icon of the cycle world. It truly is a jewel. The third time WILL be a charm.

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Hi Mark;
I've read your blog twice and you have an amazing talent for words. A little "flowery" but we all get the point.

I AM an American INDIAN and I drive an American INDIAN, like my father and Grandfather did before me.
I am also a "Biker". It dosen't mean I'm a one percenter, Just that I also know how to ride in the rain.

I ride a Gilroy and I am Damned proud to do so. The finest compliment I ever heard was outside a grocery store.
A couple of guys got out of a truck and one said to the other, "Why would anyone buy a Harley, when something like this is available". I smiled and winked at the girl left sitting in the truck. She winked back and smiled.
Yeah, I'll never own anything else.

We all do a few things to our bikes to make them our own. Personallity traits if you will. We all want to Knock them out of the Dime Store catagory. Bikes ARE personall.

But that Red thing for 2009 shown as their feature bike on line is FUCKING ugly.
It is mis-perportioned. It looks like you will be pushing a big old body around.
Fender skirts are obviously the first attraction. But as one who really rides,,, brakes, performance, dependability and agility are what really count.

With the Big Bagger's, comfort is rule one. Don't even think of Harley Davidson as competition.
Let's go after the Bavarian family.

I trust the electrical problems were not inherited as I re-fitted mine with Harley looms. I also had to re-fit the seat with a Corbin Gel. I'm 52 years old.
I love the balance I have with my Gilroy. I have driven a 1939 Scout and the old four banger.
My personall 1947, 1962 and 1968 harleys couldn't compair.
My hundred and thirty pound wife can ride my big old Chief, after the modifications I have made with very little effort.
I need a few of these so that I can ride with my Son's and Grandkids.

Make e'm safe, make e'm dependable, or I'll come out there and take you're Scalp.

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I have always dreamed of riding a Cheif. The look of nostalgia, the grace, the lines, many have tried to replecate but failed. When I saw that the company was comming back I was so thrilled, I am finnally getting my opportunity to live my dream. After years of riding my share of Harleys, customs and yes, even foreign made bikes nothing will ever compare to riding a true legend. Wiilie G has too much of my money already!!!!! I have a friend that owns a 1946 Cheif, and I envy him so. I can't wait to roll up on him with mine. My Husband and I are so exited at the prospect that we were thinking about comming down to N.C. to check one out. Please let us know more about the specs on the new ones, I have heard so many bad things about the 100 motors that were in the last ones. Are you going back to S and S ? What kind of powertrains are going into the new bikes? I own a victory kingpin right now and also a drifter but I will gladly sell both to get my hands on the CHEIF!!! I hope that all goes well with this venture, but I admit it sure will be nice to be a part of this elite group. Hell, I will keep the faith and pray the 3d time is the charm.

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I've always said I want an Indian, but when I became financially stable enough to spend my money on some things I wanted no new Indians were being produced. So I bought a Harley. I was extatic to see that you guys are up and running. If the bikes being produced are within my price range I hope to own one soon. It is my dream bike. Thanks guys for building a real American classic.

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Nice to hear of a "guardian of the jewel" and lofty ideals from motorcycle heaven. Perhaps I will take the Indian rebirth/resurgence a bit more seriously when I really see some progress. At this point, the movement forward has been painfully slow. For several years, i have owned a 2001 Scout. The bike is beautiful and draws attention wherever I ride. The problem is finding a decent parts distributor and a good mechanic. And, of course, there are no dealers anywhere close to the middle of the United States. Any motorcycle needs maintenance, and all the hype promises do not keep me on the road or promote a quality product that can emerge as a reality in the American motorcycle community. From what I can draw, the new Indian business theory revolves around selling new bikes and not taking care of present owners. I guess that is a start, but you boys need to ramp this thing up. Let's take care of the owners, not just the investors...

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Let's be serious here. It's been a year and a half since any press release, the "2008 order form" became a 2009 order form, no spec's, no recent news and all happy stories from seemingly thrilled Indian employees and a blog by a "wordsmith"! Enough already, it's time to crap or get off the pot. Forget the happy stories and tell us what's going on with development, spec's, price point, support, etc. Of course if you start selling accessories soon you can go the way of the 1948 Tucker.

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Mr. Verblaauw:
I encourage you and everyone reading to sign up for our email newsletter. We sent one just last month and another one is in the works. If you have signed up, but are having trouble viewing or receiving the emails, please notify me: etracy@indianmotorcycle.com
Thank you.

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we have heard that it is cooking--so where is the bacon

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Some of the posts here made me chuckle. If you naysayers are seriously interested, and not just here to bash the marque, I'd suggest you sign up for the newsletter, or log on the the Indian Motorcycle Community website, or the Iron Indian Riders Association, and you'll get some more detailed info on the "bacon" and when the company is going to "crap or get off the pot".

They are determined to get it right this time, and NOT just rush a product to market...especially not just to satisfy those who think a bike could be cobbled together and shoved out the door. A "Harley-clone" is not something Indian wishes to be known for, and the R&D for a world-class bike isn't something you can do overnight. However, having said that, there are prototypes on the ground, testing is well underway, and the company is getting closer to the finished product. Much closer. Several of the Iron Indians were just taken on a tour of the factory, and came away extremely impressed, not just with the product, but with the dedication the employees show to a hallowed, legendary marque. They are quite well aware that if they DON'T get it right this time, it will undoubtedly be 'game over' for Indian. Permanently. They think they have a plan, they believe in it, and they are sticking to it. They are doing this THEIR way, not Harley's way, not Honda's way, and not YOUR way. Get over it.

So... If you really ARE interested in Indian, and want them to succeed, check out the sources I named above, and then sit back and get comfortable...things are about to get REAL interesting.

If you are just about throwing rocks, slinging mud, or enumerating all the supposedly good reasons this revival won't work, or yapping that Indian is an outmoded, un-needed, unwanted marque in today's modern motorcycle world, well, there's the door over there. Don't let it bruise your fanny on the way out. There's a cookie-cutter bike, with a dealership on every streetcorner, waiting for you.

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It's been a brutal ice storm here in Maryland. This weather has given me idle time away from family to see where surfing will take me. I'm working my way from New Jersey to Central Pennsylvania to have a new home here by summer. On my travels I've rotuinely passed the Harley Davidson plant in York and, although I've never ridden or owned at motorcyle, I've always wanted to take the hour and tour the plant to see those machines. So why am I here? The surfing for factory tours at Harley brought back to me stories my grandmother told me of Indian Motorcycle. She grew up in Springfield, born in 1915 in a family of 8; her father a Spanish-American War veteran and forman at the Springfield Armory overseeing the production of the first M-1's. Her brother built Indian motorcycles at the Springfield plant. She loved all her siblings and missed her days in Springfield having married a school teacher who graduated from Springfield College after he was ostracized from his Mennonite family for leaving the farm and attending college. All I heard of Indian was that they were magnificent machines that contributed to both war efforts and that her brother left every morning to make those cycles with great pride. Having been born in the late 1950's I felt that these stories were ancient history since the company had long passed and Indians were supplanted by foreign models and modern styles. I would love the opportunity to discover a true part of New England history and encourage the company to rediscover in its new endeavor those roots that created one of the best brands in the motor industry. The very best of luck to you all.

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Wow Man, good reading material. I talk to some people, up here in the Northern (central) New York. I find it errie that whan I mention or talk about the Chief I'm trying to get together, a large majority have no idea. Either no idea of the "Old" or that there was even a new Indian motorcycle. I'm doing my best to help educate who I can.
I remember back some 27 years ago when I had my first experence. It was in Parish New York and a owner of a red and I mean RED Chief that was from 1946. The guys name was Animal, and loved his ride more than life. As I became older, I started checking and looking at H-D and other obtainable bikes. I have had a couple and felt what I had always thought of an Americam Herritage. When The factory closed down in CA., I started getting parts and have been building my dream and what I feel is a true part of American history. I'm hoping that Indian suceeds where it rightfully should be. I'm olny 40 but I'm hoping to be able to get one together from the factory this time. INDIAN POWER

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Sounds like one big pipe dream to me. I seriously doubt they can be a player in the industry. That is assuming they actually produce a product.

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Just returned from a Valentines Trip to Deadwood, SD with my better-half of nearly 27 years and ran straight to this website. While I was up that way I made the obligatory side trip to Sturgis. As I was heading toward Rapid City and a trip to Ellsworth AFB...I stopped dead straight in the middle of I-90 East...there was a billboard with a new Indian Chief on it. I couldn't believe my eyes. This wasn't an old billboard from 2002...it was advertising a new (2009) Indian Chief. My wife quickly reminded me we were on an interstate with 80 mph+ traffic flying by. I was in disbelief...was it true?

I spent 28 years in the military. Always wanted an Indian after talking to my Grandfather and Uncle about their exploits on them many,many years ago. But I had a family to take care of and while the Air Force took great care of us the constant moves and low pay ruled out a restoration and it wasn't like there were new Indians for sale at the local dealer down the street. But then 1999 came along and the rumors started to fly...Indian was coming back. I was now a Chief Master Sergeant (E-9) and in early 2001 I talked my wife into going to Amarillo, TX the closest Indian dealer to us. When I walked into that showroom and gazed at that Chief for the first time...wow...I can't describe it. As I stradled that bike my wife gave me the go ahead look and I came close to pulling the trigger. But with three children to get ready to put through college and knowing what we really needed was a new SUV...we bought a Suburban instead. Frankly I wanted to wait a little anyway. New bike...with some bugs to work out...a new proprietary engine to take the place of the S&S was in development...so I would wait.

Then on Sept 11, 2001 my life changed along with everyone else in the military. The Indian would have to wait. On a trip home in the summer of 2002 for some R&R before I deployed to the desert for the 5th time in my career. I began to hear rumors of problems with Indian Motorcycles. To my astonishment on the long drive back East I bet I saw 15 new dealerships...surely there couldn't be a problem...but I also wondered is there really this big of a market for $20K-30K motorcycles...new dealerships seemed to be going up everywhere? So when I came back in 2003 the rumors were undeniable...there were problems...bad problems. Not sure what happened, I suspect growing/expanding to far to fast...not wringing the gremlins out of the new engine before it was fielded...not sure. I only knew I wanted an Indian Chief even more than before...but that little voice that had kept me out of so many problems in the past told me...maybe you better wait...not being able to get maintenance/parts for a $25K motorcycle is definitely something to be worried about. The rest...well is in the books. My heart was broken.

So when I saw this billboard outside of Sturgis the other day...I had to see for myself is it really going to happen this time. Will they be able to pull it off?

For my part I am cautiously optimistic...as I said my heart has been broken once already! My children are now a couple years away from finishing college. My wife has said go for it. I will standby and hope that this happens...I can't articulate strongly enough how much I am routing for you. Take your time an get it right I'm not in any hurry. I will be waiting and hoping for your success. When bikes start rolling off the production line I hope they will be as good as they can be and if so I will be ready with checkbook in hand (provided the bikes don't turn out to be priced out of the reach of...as badly as I want one...I am not willing to pay $50K for a motorcycle).

Best of luck...I will be following this very closely and praying for your success!

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Just returned from a Valentines Trip to Deadwood, SD with my better-half of nearly 27 years and ran straight to this website. While I was up that way I made the obligatory side trip to Sturgis. As I was heading toward Rapid City and a trip to Ellsworth AFB...I stopped dead straight in the middle of I-90 East...there was a billboard with a new Indian Chief on it. I couldn't believe my eyes. This wasn't an old billboard from 2002...it was advertising a new (2009) Indian Chief. My wife quickly reminded me we were on an interstate with 80 mph+ traffic flying by. I was in disbelief...was it true?

I spent 28 years in the military. Always wanted an Indian after talking to my Grandfather and Uncle about their exploits on them many,many years ago. But I had a family to take care of and while the Air Force took great care of us the constant moves and low pay ruled out a restoration and it wasn't like there were new Indians for sale at the local dealer down the street. But then 1999 came along and the rumors started to fly...Indian was coming back. I was now a Chief Master Sergeant (E-9) and in early 2001 I talked my wife into going to Amarillo, TX the closest Indian dealer to us. When I walked into that showroom and gazed at that Chief for the first time...wow...I can't describe it. As I stradled that bike my wife gave me the go ahead look and I came close to pulling the trigger. But with three children to get ready to put through college and knowing what we really needed was a new SUV...we bought a Suburban instead. Frankly I wanted to wait a little anyway. New bike...with some bugs to work out...a new proprietary engine to take the place of the S&S was in development...so I would wait.

Then on Sept 11, 2001 my life changed along with everyone else in the military. The Indian would have to wait. On a trip home in the summer of 2002 for some R&R before I deployed to the desert for the 5th time in my career. I began to hear rumors of problems with Indian Motorcycles. To my astonishment on the long drive back East I bet I saw 15 new dealerships...surely there couldn't be a problem...but I also wondered is there really this big of a market for $20K-30K motorcycles...new dealerships seemed to be going up everywhere? So when I came back in 2003 the rumors were undeniable...there were problems...bad problems. Not sure what happened, I suspect growing/expanding to far to fast...not wringing the gremlins out of the new engine before it was fielded...not sure. I only knew I wanted an Indian Chief even more than before...but that little voice that had kept me out of so many problems in the past told me...maybe you better wait...not being able to get maintenance/parts for a $25K motorcycle is definitely something to be worried about. The rest...well is in the books. My heart was broken.

So when I saw this billboard outside of Sturgis the other day...I had to see for myself is it really going to happen this time. Will they be able to pull it off?

For my part I am cautiously optimistic...as I said my heart has been broken once already! My children are now a couple years away from finishing college. My wife has said go for it. I will standby and hope that this happens...I can't articulate strongly enough how much I am routing for you. Take your time an get it right I'm not in any hurry. I will be waiting and hoping for your success. When bikes start rolling off the production line I hope they will be as good as they can be and if so I will be ready with checkbook in hand (provided the bikes don't turn out to be priced out of the reach of...as badly as I want one...I am not willing to pay $50K for a motorcycle).

Best of luck...I will be following this very closely and praying for your success!

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There's no motorcycle more loved and cherished than an Indian.I've had several conversations with men who upon seeing my '03 Chief,come alive with memories and stories of there own,and am happy to listen of days spent riding cross country.There are reasons people own Indian motorcycles,that can't be easily explained...and old jokes about the choice between an Indian and that other company in Milwaukee and it's products.Choice is what it's about...based on the legendary machines and riders which made Indian an American motorcycle the pace setter, chosen by New Zealanders like Burt Munro,who had nothing to rely on but their own ideas, skills and iron.
The new company carries with it the history of a long list of men who have endured,raced the world over with their own love of the craft,the Indian marque,and little else.There is much ahead of us,and a lot more already estblished to build upon.That's a historical fact that owners of Indian motorcycles proudly cherish.

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The legendary wrapper to the book of Indian motorcycles,is the result of men who were independent thinkers.Burt Munro comes to mind as the man who built,raced crashed...rebulit,raced,and improved what became a record holder for his class at Bonneville....all without a factory.The Indian riders I'm proud to know are cut from this same rare material.
Got to talking one day with a man who rode cross country on his '46 Chief,and who was the most gentle,laid back kind of guy...remarking at how large a motorcycle my '03 Chief was in comparison,and no less pretty.This has occurred more than once now,with each time the picture of independence showing through the warm smile and friendly handshake.
Having had no factory support since the last production year of '03,has made for testing of this picture again...with the IIRA being a hitching post for guys riding Gilroy Indians.The love of the marque and the legend of the men who displayed it have endured untarnished.When we see a new model,has been the nagging question for many of us.Will the older models be included in the picture?..Not sure,but hopefull yes.If not,that will just be another teaser for us older riders to remedy on our own....not like it's anything new,eh?

CLASSIC V-TWIN MOTORCYCLE. VIEW FROM THE EASTERN EUROPE.

HELLO, DEAR FRIENDS,
My name is Igor. I am from Ukraine. Since childhood I am interested in motorcycles as my father had motorcycles (made in former USSR and Czechoslovakia). I consider that the best motorcycles are the classic motorcycles based on American V-TWIN motors: Indian, Harley-Davidson and handmade choppers and also Victory. These are the only ones true motorcycles in our times. I call them live and they have heart – it is V-TWIN motor. It is something fantastic. I have special feelings when I hear magic sound of exhaust of V-TWIN motor. I do not like Japanese and other motorcycles. They are nonliving, heartless, computerized clones. Soon they will be fully controlled by computer but not by man. They do not have (and will never have) of spirit of true motorcycle, and motorcycle history. Unfortunately, because of Soviet government, our country was closed for motorcycle companies. But now all have changed. Japanese do all possible and impossible things for popularization of their motorcycles in all world and, in particular, in Ukraine. That’s why their motorcycles are so popular in Ukraine. There are many of them in Ukraine, but few of H.-D., not saying about others. AMERICANS DO NOTHING FOR POPULARIZATION OF THEIR WORLD’S BEST MOTORCYCLES BASED ON MAGIC V-TWINs MOTORS. WHY???????
MY GOAL IS POPULARIZATION AND PROMOTION IN UKRAINE OF CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES BASED ON AMERICAN V-TWIN MOTOR BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT AVAILABLE NEARLY 70 YEARS WHILE FORMER USSR EXISTED. Even from viewpoint of business Eastern Europe is new big market.
I want to do all possible and impossible to make my country in TOP 5 countries by level of popularity of V-TWIN classic motorcycles. I want to be one of those who make classic motorcycles are very popular in Ukraine.
But my opportunities. Now I am living in two parallel worlds. First. Nearly 5 years from day to day I am going to my work and doing job which I hate and all around. Sometimes I do not want to live, because I do not opportunity to do what I want to do. Of course, many people live such way, but few of them do something to reach their goals. I have few friends and I am already 27 but I still do not have girlfriend, BECAUSE ALL MY AVAILABLE FREE TIME AND WEEKENDS I LIVE IN MY SECOND PARALLEL WORLD - VIRTUAL WORLD OF CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES and CHOPPERS. I feel myself comfortable and happily in it. In my virtual world of choppers I study all that concerns V- TWIN choppers: collect information about choppers, surf the Net and study all about American bike building companies and their constructors; American motorcycles clubs (which prefer classic motorcycles); study types of V-TWINs, history of classic motorcycles. By the way, I do not understand those American bike builders who use Japanese V-TWIN motors. They break traditions. True choppers have only American V-TWIN motors.
In Ukraine, I want to dedicate all my time to classic V-TWIN motorcycles and choppers: promotion, selling, repair, building, service. That’s why I want to know all about classic motorcycles based on American motors starting from history first Indian 1901, Harley-Davidson 1903 and other legendary American companies of the beginning of 20 century Excelsior, Merkel, Peerless, Henderson, Yale, Thor, Scott, Apache, Dayton, Flesher Flyer, Traub, Pope, Flanders, Crocker and finishing last models of choppers built by modern constructors. I NEED SUPPORT OF AMERICAN BIKERS AND ALL WHO LOVE CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES BASED ON AMERICAN V-TWINs.
I want to be big true biker (like Paul Teutul Sr. www.orangecountychoppers.com or Joe Martin www.martinbrosbikes.com). ONLY TRUE BIKERS HAVE AND RIDE CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES. All other are MOTORCYCLISTS. And if I would ever have girlfriend and future wife, I would like that she would also love choppers like Gypsy Charros. And I want my future son would be born in true bikers’ family. In future I also plan to found in Ukraine museum of classic American motorcycles of 1890-1960. (similar to museum Wheels Through Time founded by Dale Walksler www.wheelsthroughtime.com). Of course, many exhibits will not be authentic motorcycles, but replicas of that ones, for example, there are good American constructors and companies that produce replicas of retro motorcycles, one of them TIMELESS MOTOR COMPANY www.timelessmotorcompany.com of Mike Hanlon as well as CHRIS MATTHEWS from C. Matthews Antique Motorcycles & Restorations who restore the best American retro motorcycles. http://www.jettrink.net/home.php
So, I have two dreams. First, I want to be student of WYOTECH (Daytona, http://www.wyotech.edu/program/motorcycle-technology/specialty/harley-davidson) on program Harley-Davidson Technology or Custom Fabrication. Second, I dream to be apprentice of constructors who build big, low, long choppers. I love such choppers. I have design of 5 theme choppers which I want to build with them and then to sell in Ukraine. Nearly 5 years I am looking for opportunity to be student at Wyotech. Duration of education is 15 months. Price is $22,000. But it is too-ooo-ooo expensive for me. I do not know how to find such money. I called to Wyotech and, unfortunately, financial aid (loans) is available only for American students, but not for foreign students. That’s why I have written this letter. In the Bible there are such words Matthew 7:7-8 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.” SO, I BELIEVE, THAT AT LEAST THERE IS ONE MAN IN WHOLE WORLD THAT SHARE MY LOVE TO CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES BASED ON AMERICAN V-TWIN MOTORS AND WHO HAS REAL OPPORTUNITY TO HELP ME HOW TO FIND STUDENT ORGANIZATION OR INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN GIVE LOAN FOR FOREIGN STUDENT WHICH IN FUTURE I WILL PAY BACK AFTER FOUNDING MY OWN COMPANY ON PROMOTION OF CLASSIC MOTORCYCLES BASED ON AMERICAN V-TWIN MOTOR IN UKRAINE. Help me to begin to live in real world of classic V-TWIN motorcycles and choppers, but not in virtual. I am opened for new friends: v.twin.in.ukraine@gmail.com

I ask everybody to advice me what should I do and how to find partners to popularize CLASSIC AMERICAN V-TWIN MOTORCYCLES IN UKRAINE.

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I may be one of the few (except my wife) who has been to all three factory sites (Springfield, Gilroy, & Kings Mountain). I have always been an Indian man. My entire life has been spent in the company of these machines. I hope they have them in the afterlife, if not, my transgressions in life will have sent me to Japan hell for eternity and there will be Goldwings and Stars and Drifters. Yes, I have owned may of the Brand X machines from Wisconsin over the years, but I was between Indians, what can I say? Make no mistake-I am Indian through and through. I am a 3rd generation Indian owner. My Grandpa had an "08" and won a "21" or "22' during the depression. I have photo's of him on both machines. My Daddy had a Scout he purchased after returning home from WWII, and later a 1949 Chief. Unfortunatly I cannot come up with photo's of him on his bikes, although I have seen them over the years, I'm still looking. I have owned a 741 Military Scout, and 1947 Chief and my current ride, a 2002 Chief Deluxe. Although not employed by Indian Motorcycle Company, I consider myself a Guardian of the Jewel. I hope it works this time, this will be the final chance I fear. I look forward to the Grand Opening at the factory & dealership and will be in attendance.

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I have read all of the comments and most have said exactly what I would expect, what Indian has meant to them, love for this iconic and historic American brand. All the fond memories of the best of times riding on the magnificent machines.

But frankly some of them have me concerned!!!!
Why the negativity? To quote my sons “why are you a hater?”
Why would anyone be a naysayer about this “original” American motorcycle brand?
It’s like saying, I like Chevy’s so I hope Ford doesn’t succeed, or may be Chrysler should just close their doors…

It almost seems they are wishing for the new craftsman at Indian to fail. If you ask me saying or even thinking about Indian Motorcycle Company failing is like wishing for America to fail!

Failure is not an option!!!! The craftsman in NC have Indian Motorcycle blood runs in their veins and the colors of our flag stand strong in there heart. It is in their hands now and I believe they’re making the BEST American motorcycle ever built. As it has been in the past it will be again. I for one am willing to wait until they are ready.

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to all the Guardians.......we are two new Guardians of the Jewel.......hope to see a few of you when we pick up our Chiefs!

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I love to here that Indian is making a comeback. I always have and probably always will be a Harley rider, but even that said you have to love the history of Indian, not to mention the bikes themselves. The question is will they compete? When they tried it back in 99, I would have given up my beloved 78 FLHP for a chief had it not been for the price tag. Even with them not producing their own drivetrain, which of course they corrected in later models. In order for them to take their much deserved piece of the pie, they have to price their bikes accordingly. It would be hard to believe that any true biker is going to pay $25,000+ for a Chief when they can buy a new Roadking for $19,000. Only the die hard followers, and the people with to much money, are going to pay that much for a bike just because its an Indian. If they can't sell bikes to the people who aren't going to fade away when the fads over then they'll never make it.

I hope this new version of Indian is here to stay. I would love to see that Indian tank badge pull up next to me in the not so distant future. Maybe these two American Icons can finaly put these yuppy clones in their place....lol....

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Well Tramp I've got to agree with you.. I ride an 02 chief.. it has taken a lot of patience and work to keep it in the garage and on the road.. I could see the price being a little higher than Road King.. but not a lot... I hope they heed your warning and price it for those that will stay past the fad... I hope they survive past the fad.. The bike they inherited from Gilroy is great looking machine... make it dependable and get it out there...at a price that makes them money yet is affordable to the average rider...

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, What makes you think this bike will be any better Junk than the other Junk before? I know, I have one sitting in the garage rotting.

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Charlie.. I can take it off your hands...

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Charlie , take it to a shop and get it fixed ,if you cant fix it yourself ! Ever heard of Joe Malfa ,Blackhawk or Posey , they will fix it for you! But I bet your one of those kinds that just wants to let it rot in the garage and whine about it , you probably were never a rider anyway , never ridden a Harley (yep they breakdown too) but probably complained about them while riding your roadstar , being one of the "never was's" is who you will always be , quit whining and bitching about your bike not working , fix it! I had a Spirit , 2 months after the company died and my warranty died with it, well guess what ,the bike wouldnt start either ,I pushed to the shop myself (an authorise HD service center) and they fixed , no time for crying , I sold that and bought my Vintage Chief (2003) and have never looked back, but then again I ride it ,I dont have time to polish it ,I dont bar hop either, do you take your trophies on the road with you ?

Keep going Stellican , I dont agree with you and dont think you'll produce anything more than doo dads , but I can dream like the rest of them and wish you success!

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Hey Charlie Kennedy.
Want to sell me that piece of junk?
I'll give you $2000 for it--don't care if it's a Little Chief--or a PP Chief.
Seems a shame to let it rot in the garage.
That's a DAMN nice motorcycle you have setting there.
I'll promise to take GOOOOOD care of it.
I'll send it straight to Joe Malfa at JAM LTD--the #1 PP Mechanic in the world--put $5 or $6000 into it, and run with any motorcycle out there.

I will admit--I do still have those little issues that pop up from time to time--even after having Malfa make it what it should have been.
New tires every 10 or 12 thousand miles--burned out a brake light bulb once--and stripped the drive belt about 30 thousand miles after Joe worked his magic on it.
Over 45 k since Joe rebuilt it, and I'm still smilin!!!!
You call me--913-522-8374--I can pick that piece of shit up tomorrow.
You can use the $2k to make a down payment on a HA-HA-Harley.

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currently ride a kingpin and really love it! Want to buy a new 08 kingpin but want to wait until the first Indian from King's Mtn. become available so I can have a chance to FINALLY ride MY Indian! I would buy one whether it is "perfected" or not and would be honored to be a part of the rebirth effort involving investors, builders, dealers, and owners! I'm 64 and HOPE that I get a chance to be a part of this before I can no longer participate! Come on, Indian... we are pulling for you all the way!

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When I was kid, I had a poster of a 1940 or 41 Indian Chief on my wall. I worshipped it for years until the sun faded it so bad I couldn't see it anymore. Got my first bike at 17, a 1972 Suzuki Titan 500...that bike was way too much for a kid, but my parents figured at 500cc it couldn't be all that bad. It was a year old, I bought it off a sailor in Norfolk, Va. who was shipping out. I paid $600.00. Since then I have owned Hondas, BMW's, more Suzukis, a Victory V92C (powerful but ugly), a Victory Vegas (powerful, fast, gorgeous), a Yamaha Royal Star and my current daily rider, a Harley Superglide. But nothing I ever got was that Indian! A couple of years ago I bought a 1948 Indian Chief and am currently restoring a 1935 Scout. The way these ride is so much different than anything on the market today. The flat head engine, the crash-box tranny, the smell of oil and gasoline, the fact you actually have to know how to fix in order to have the nerve to ride them more than 10 miles from home. The point is this: The smell, the sound, the feel of the girder front end, the weak breaks, the pogo seat and the concert of clutch, shifter, throttle, spark advance and nerve is what makes and Indian and Indian. The Gilroy Indians were pretty and I understand why their owners are loyal, but they are not Indians my friends. Ask the owners of a vintage Chris Craft. Are the new Chris Craft boats really the same as the originals? Can you make yourself believe that if Chris Craft had stayed in business that the new boats as they are currently built are what would have resulted? Maybe so, maybe not. While I respect all you owners of "new" indians, they ain't Indians in my humble opinion...and neither will the ones coming out of NC be. You can't recapture the magic of something by copying the other guy (Harley) and calling it yours (Indian). The fellows at Indian should actually ride a vintage Indian and get some ideas other than the swoopy fenders with a Harley copy-cat engine in between. I know, I know...it is a proprietary engine that is "different" from a TC88...right. A 45 degree V twin with overhead valves and a six speed gearbox is a Harley and everyone knows it. I would really like to see the new Indians do well...hell I will buy one if they build something original that harkens back to the old bikes. The old Indians were light (even the Chief when compared to a modern bike), they handled better than most anything on the road these days, and they weren't copies of Harleys. If they come out with a 1200cc (or under) bike that weighs less than 575 pounds, has a 25 inch seat height, can do 65 per hour all day in third gear, can run on regular gas, has no computer chips or voodoo electronics that can go wrong, and can be worked on by me and not a $100.00 per hour shop, I will step up and put my money down. Until then I will continue to ride my Harley when I want to go fast and look cool, and when I want to ride a real motorcycle, I will ride my old '48. Good luck Indian. It's old farts like me with no kids at home, still young enough to ride a lot, and with a pot load of disposable income that will be your client base. I have a Harley, and don't want another one with "Indian" printed on the tank, so far I am not impressed.

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All good, even the bad. Been riding since I was about 12. Dirt bikes, tote goats and then little skinny metrics. As a jarhead bought a new spotry in 1980 and put over 90K on it. AMF and all. Had a couple if big twins after that and wore them out too. In 2002 I went out to buy a new HD, they were selling so good that the dealers were not worried about it, and it showed. So leaving a dealership in northern Colorado with no bike an add on the radio selling Chevs said "we also sell Indian Cycles". Drove straight to that dealer and got me a new white Scout. 6 years have passed and I got close to 50K on it and it just runs all day and into the night. Would not hesitate to buy a new one. Lots of good comments where ever I go. Even broke the ice with some lovely women! Can't wait to see them. Better start working some overtime. Just do it.

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Are there any plans to make a new Scout?
Not that the world couldn't use yet another feet-forward Harley-Davidson clone parade float, but a real proper motorcycle might be a good product too. Something that one sits on instead of in, where your feet are under you instead of in front filling up your pant legs with air. A four hundred pound v twin direct injected sport-standard without the plastic and the Buell/Bmw computer nightmare ugly.

Think Ducati Monster without the 'guts hanging out' look, but that seating position and mass/power.

The Ducat Monster sells well, as does it's ugly clone the Suzuki SV, so another for that market would make three. How many huge V twin chrome-laden Harley clones are there? Exactly. Build motorcycles, not parade floats.

Wake up!

What are you people talking about? The Indian Motorcycle was made from 1901 to 1953 -END OF STORY. Just because a new machine has 'Indian' on the tanks doesn't make it an Indian, it's just another company trying to cash in on the name, and there have been many since 1953.

I think it's grand that you have plans for yet another one, god bless you and god bless American motorcycles, but please don't confuse it with the original, that's insane.

BTW; park the Gilroy Indian next to an original skirted Chief from the forties, the original is sleek and trim, and makes the new Indian look like a chromed brick wall. You will never again be able to create something as elegant as a '40s Chief, not when you bulk it